tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post4385759115693259673..comments2024-03-26T19:18:46.162+00:00Comments on The Spelling Blog: When two vowels go walking - Is it the truth we're talking?Johannahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16298865019130446615noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-15635031765617059702016-09-30T14:27:44.090+01:002016-09-30T14:27:44.090+01:00As a person named Deirdre, I find that as adults e...As a person named Deirdre, I find that as adults everyone remembers "i before e except after c" and therefore they misspell my name Dierdre. So I wish they remembered this "rule" of "the second vowel makes the first one say its name" at least enough to make sense of the possibility that the e might come before the i in my name...:Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14293778004301335938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-39119363104331938032016-09-08T19:44:18.846+01:002016-09-08T19:44:18.846+01:00The word "does"(plural of female deer) f...The word "does"(plural of female deer) follows the rule, but not the verb "does"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-49286810240080296492016-05-18T01:09:03.265+01:002016-05-18T01:09:03.265+01:00For those of us who can spell and read easily we d...For those of us who can spell and read easily we don't need rules to reason through things. Our brain somehow just let's us know when something is spelled wrong. For Dyslexics they need tools. My daughter's tutor teaches her rules, like 2 vowels go walking, but also teaches her how to spot the exceptions. She does not say every set of 2 vowels together is part of two vowels go walking. If you have a good phonics program and teach it fully there are very few exceptions. Angelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14847277906875060056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-60085605365011783582015-08-04T18:12:10.344+01:002015-08-04T18:12:10.344+01:00My son is dyslexic and when in a regular school, h...My son is dyslexic and when in a regular school, he just listed exceptions for his teacher. He's going to a school for dyslexic kids next year. And he wanted me to share this:<br />http://www.tickld.com/x/90-of-people-cant-pronounce-this-whole-poem-you-have-to-try-it<br />debrannihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11679260031329362318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-88672133175545892042013-10-05T02:07:56.204+01:002013-10-05T02:07:56.204+01:00THANK YOU! Thank you for this blog. I recently saw...THANK YOU! Thank you for this blog. I recently saw the "when two vowels...." song and clip at my sons school and instantly thought "But that's just not true!" and it's been bugging me ever since. I will make sure to NOT follow up this teaching at home :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-74373108304068205992012-11-26T07:03:28.919+00:002012-11-26T07:03:28.919+00:00Jes(ie) ? shoule be an EE sound
fr(ie)nd ? the &qu...Jes(ie) ? shoule be an EE sound<br />fr(ie)nd ? the "ie" is made to sound as a letter (e) as opposed to sounding as a long vowel<br /><br />It is a good concept to teach towards younger children but not to encourage it as they get older. I must admit though if the child is too fast in their academic learning, then they do need to be brought out of this habbit as it could delay them in progressing as far as they could.<br /><br />The age of the child however will vary upon their individual progressive abilities. Shadow81https://www.blogger.com/profile/07552134614873554444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-39798345429548041162012-11-20T15:26:09.535+00:002012-11-20T15:26:09.535+00:00What about vacuum and quaalude?What about vacuum and quaalude?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-24034390119958441772012-08-15T12:50:37.126+01:002012-08-15T12:50:37.126+01:00I confess ... yes I use this rule and any other &#...I confess ... yes I use this rule and any other 'rule' that allows me to give a student another strategy. My preference though is to explain these 'rules' as guidelines. They are simply a tool in their toolbox that might help them decode the word, phrase, sentence or essentially get some meaning from their efforts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-37927619630879972002012-06-18T07:27:15.658+01:002012-06-18T07:27:15.658+01:00That's good to hear.
JohannaThat's good to hear.<br />JohannaJohannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16298865019130446615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-65601306652646615072012-06-18T00:54:27.510+01:002012-06-18T00:54:27.510+01:00I am currently taking a class and we were taught t...I am currently taking a class and we were taught that when two vowels go a walking the first one does the talking only applies in 35 percent of cases. We were told not to teach this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-5206570349086195792012-03-23T12:11:08.509+00:002012-03-23T12:11:08.509+00:00I'd better qualify that last statement and add...I'd better qualify that last statement and add that it's my experience that such lists are not very useful to newly arrived students learning English.Megan_Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-49079322599129474382012-03-23T09:11:26.631+00:002012-03-23T09:11:26.631+00:00I know the rule "When 2 vowels go out walking...I know the rule "When 2 vowels go out walking the first one does the talking" from Letterland (UK). It may have existed before that. <br /><br />I've heard Barbara Brann from http://www.bmbeducation.com.au/html/s01_home/home.asp say the only words in English with the ea sound in great are great, break and steak. People at my school follow her religiously and teach a lot spelling through rhyming eg tail, snail, fail. However those teachers also say that children tend to overuse such strategies and I am skeptical about teaching that needs to be unlearned afterwards. Having a lot of experience with ELLs I also know that these lists are close to meaningless.Megan_Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-44982840228779141322012-02-07T23:16:45.054+00:002012-02-07T23:16:45.054+00:00They say it all the time in schools I have worked ...They say it all the time in schools I have worked in in Massachusetts. And then we have to unteach it.jzzy55noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-5969792373382267522012-01-21T00:33:31.767+00:002012-01-21T00:33:31.767+00:00I took my training to be an academic language ther...I took my training to be an academic language therapist through an Orton-Gillingham school. We were NOT to teach this rule. The purpose of rules is to make spelling easier for students. Something that is reliable only about 50% of the time does not make things easier. O-G teaches very few rules, only 5. With the various vowel-pairs, it's better to study one vowel pair at a time, read a bunch of examples so as to be able to read them in paragraphs. <br />It's unfortunate that the Lindamood Phoneme Sequencing, LiPS,Progrm teaches this rule. The first 13 chapters of the LiPS Program are wonderful in eliciting and developing auditory discrimination in depth and the alphabetic principle. The otherwise excellent program is just not strong once it transitions into spelling.Alice in Wonderlandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-29523583785275707042011-12-01T02:38:46.527+00:002011-12-01T02:38:46.527+00:00"A Vowel Pair Syllable has two adjacent vowel..."A Vowel Pair Syllable has two adjacent vowels that code only one sound. Treat each pair with loving care, code them with an underline. Five unique sounds are spelled with vowel pairs: /ōō/, /ŏŏ/, /au, aw/, /oi, oy/ and /ou, ow/." All other vowel pairs are duplicate spellings of the five short or five long vowel sounds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-16299595266020237592011-11-19T22:37:05.285+00:002011-11-19T22:37:05.285+00:00Have you heard of expectancies rather than rules? ...Have you heard of expectancies rather than rules? I teach students that they can expect that many words are written using this expectancy and many are not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-37886861252578913042011-04-05T00:24:26.654+01:002011-04-05T00:24:26.654+01:00talking vowels are hardtalking vowels are hardUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12497806101655495287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-55770504424601023312011-03-25T13:17:59.837+00:002011-03-25T13:17:59.837+00:00I was taught both of these 'rules' as a ch...I was taught both of these 'rules' as a child. They were better than nothing when standing in front of a class trying to read or spell a word. When I was learning Spanish, I was taught 'rules' for spelling and pronunciation, but many of the words used in daily conversation broke the rules. Common usage may be the source of many rule breakers in English as well.Mapper55https://www.blogger.com/profile/17487285618771386129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-1597188335664431742011-02-25T00:29:58.694+00:002011-02-25T00:29:58.694+00:00I heard about this rule from a friend when I was s...I heard about this rule from a friend when I was studying the history of spelling, phonetics and efforts to simplify spelling. Thus, I was surprised recently to realize a whole category of words, the ae and oe ligatures, have largely been simplified, some going through two-steps, with the original two vowels first separated, then simplified to a single vowel. http://retinart.net/typography/typographic-marks-unknown-ii-ligatures-blockquotes/Granny-Guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11839672013793941394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-8449817927093044982011-02-15T04:53:11.609+00:002011-02-15T04:53:11.609+00:00As a first grade teacher, I teach rules, but alway...As a first grade teacher, I teach rules, but always preface it with "there are always rule breakers!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-29330804236239564112011-01-14T07:34:03.313+00:002011-01-14T07:34:03.313+00:00there are a lot of things that effect spelling. Ha...there are a lot of things that effect spelling. Have you thought of looking at what sound the letters are making rather than just looking at the spelling? Sometimes rules work in the listening world but not when you put it on paper. Also there is the background of the word as well. Many words found in English are not actually English. Also come from other languages eg. pizza. I think you have a valid point in that not all 'rules' are actually rules but there are a lot of factors that have built and framed these 'rules' as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-90770632313940178302010-12-02T14:01:34.307+00:002010-12-02T14:01:34.307+00:00I teach my students the rules and then tell them t...I teach my students the rules and then tell them that they don't always apply because the English language is very tricky - but they should give it a try - if it doesn't make sense then try something else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-29932344753960675192010-08-21T00:02:32.936+01:002010-08-21T00:02:32.936+01:00You asked for spelling rules that aren't. Here...You asked for spelling rules that aren't. Here's a common one "i before e, except after c." In the book Wordplay - A Curious Dictionary of Language Oddities it lists examples of where this not true. Words spelled with e before i, such as albeit; weird; neither; and not forgetting jangadeiro, plus words spelled with i before e after c, such as ancient; deficient; proficient; glacier; hacienda; and financier.<br /><a href="http://www.squidoo.com/Fun-Way-To-Learn-Spelling-Games-For-Kids" rel="nofollow">learn spelling games</a>santa clawshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17324143469748594386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-55389501038390220112010-07-30T07:24:42.149+01:002010-07-30T07:24:42.149+01:00Dear Ann (Onimuss)
Yes, I'm sure there are a l...Dear Ann (Onimuss)<br />Yes, I'm sure there are a lot of confusions for kids. I see it as a teacher's job to try to unravel those confusions and show the truth clearly. Of course, English spelling does challenge us in that task! <br /><br />But teaching nice regular square holes and then trying to force round words into them doesn't help. Giving learners the tools to dig around to find some different shaped holes to plop words innto feels much more helpful to me.<br />JohannaJohannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16298865019130446615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355643440964865816.post-18495420633376115452010-07-30T04:50:52.554+01:002010-07-30T04:50:52.554+01:00Last year was my first year teaching first grade. ...Last year was my first year teaching first grade. We did a blending board each morning where I wrote one sound at a time, and I remember being speechless for a few seconds the times I realized the "rules" I'd drilled into their minds did not apply. I'm sure it's confusing to be a kid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com